RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,138857,00.html

Why can't we plae these devices onboard the ground compnents of our forces, in fact why couldn't we jsut provide them with the capability of radiating an EMI pulse to help the explosives along whereever they may be, so they blow up in the homes, and the hideouts of the terroists instead of on the roads. One huge EMP bomb every now and then can provide a lot of relief to our troops fars as IED's go. Or if We are using a prowler, why couldn't we put some of this stuff onboard Armed personnel carriers, on the ground, with a forward and aft looking detection and eleimination system. Thanks

"A sinister looking prong protruding . . ." Loved that. Who writes these?

Actually anything though that reduces the danger for the troops on the ground is good news, and it's about time we had some . . .good news that is.

That sounds good 393, and you never know, it might be happening . . .

"Go! Navy"

Technology never goes out of style.

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Originally posted by 3931258:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,138857,00.html

Why can't we plae(sic) these devices onboard the ground compnents(sic) of our forces, in fact why couldn't we jsut(sic) provide them with the capability of radiating an EMI pulse to help the explosives along whereever(sic) they may be, so they blow up in the homes, and the hideouts of the terroists instead of on the roads. One huge EMP bomb every now and then can provide a lot of relief to our troops fars(sic) as IED's go. Or if We are using a prowler, why couldn't we put some of this stuff onboard Armed personnel carriers, on the ground, with a forward and aft looking detection and eleimination(sic) system. Thanks

Vehicle based jammers have been deployed by the US military since Desert Storm and the Israelis have been using them even longer; google Warlock Green/Red and Shortstop for starters. However as the article states radiated jamming has no effect on hard wired triggering. It would be impractical to deploy the ALQ-99 onboard a vehicle. Airborne jamming has greater range, power and flexibility to boot. The big reason that vehicle based jammers aren't more widely used is that more often than not EW gets the short end of the stick when budgets are crafted. Look at the Air Force's short sighted decision to retire their EF-111s as only one example.

How would you deploy an EMP device without adversely effecting your own equipment?

Too bad the Navy never equipped their Prowlers with TERPES which the Marines first started using on their EA-6As back in 1967.

It's to bad these planes can't set the road side bombs off. if they can block the signal why not set them off Maybe kill the ones putting them there in the first place.

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The Prowler and its electronic warfare system is so valuable it has never been exported - even to close allies. Details about the training of crew members are secret.

And, let's keep it that way!!

Please ignore this article and do your part to preserve TecSec.

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Originally posted by 3931258:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,138857,00.html

Why can't we plae these devices onboard the ground compnents of our forces, in fact why couldn't we jsut provide them with the capability of radiating an EMI pulse to help the explosives along whereever they may be, so they blow up in the homes, and the hideouts of the terroists instead of on the roads. One huge EMP bomb every now and then can provide a lot of relief to our troops fars as IED's go. Or if We are using a prowler, why couldn't we put some of this stuff onboard Armed personnel carriers, on the ground, with a forward and aft looking detection and eleimination system. Thanks

Predominate reason is space and volume required to support all of the necessary electronics and gear...it would have to be a fairly large truck to support such a platform...

not that it hasn't been done before...but it would make a very large target...

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Originally posted by PtPanther:
It's to bad these planes can't set the road side bombs off. if they can block the signal why not set them off Maybe kill the ones putting them there in the first place.

Good question. Another one - Why weren't all the cell phone base stations shut down on day one and why weren't they shut down when they began to be a problem? We've enabled the nasties to continue about their business for no good reason. I've seen it said that cell phone monitoring has resulted in good intelligence, I doubt it's worth the price.

The people that need to know about the prowler already do. People that want to find out about the prowler can go research it and figure it out for themselves. I don't appreciate this article putting the technology of the prowler (and our plans to improve upon it) into laymen's terms for anyone and everyone to understand and read about.

Not upset by this article, per se...it's just an unnecessary compromise in semi-confidential information.

~LT

Tango31 is kinda onto something.... just block or shut-down the band width that the Iraqis are using ... results, dead cell phones, but the garage door opener is still a problem.

Good idea anyway !

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Originally posted by blueghost26:
Tango31 is kinda onto something.... just block or shut-down the band width that the Iraqis are using ... results, dead cell phones, but the garage door opener is still a problem.

Good idea anyway !

Blue Ghost, the garage door openers are easy. They are all low power devices and operate on a limited number of frequencies - easy to jam and keep jammed. (spectrum manager in a former life)

As usual we don't hear much about what the Navy is doing "in country" Give these jets and their pilots all the flight time they can get. Job Well Done Navy

just get a "pod" tha ttransmits every known signal every few seconds and dials every phone too. that would trigger all the remote bombs (hopefully)

or have AllahTel phone company do the same- dial every phone# that it has. every few min.

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Originally posted by TPCAT:
"A sinister looking prong protruding . . ." Loved that. Who writes these?

Actually anything though that reduces the danger for the troops on the ground is good news, and it's about time we had some . . .good news that is.

Who writes these? Only the shadow knows. How about the sinister looking prong protruding out into the night sky controlled by sinister looking beady eyes peering into the darkness.
If we are reading about it here, someone in the know, has chosen to make it public. The air force had unbelievable electronic flight control problems with all the F-111 based platforms. Don't even look at the power plant. Now that the F-14 is gone, it to, had "a thing" as well with it's power plant. Both F-111 and F-14 in full AB (combat) had a tendency to explode. The complex technical problems with the AC it's self caused the retirement.

Both F-111 and F-14 in full AB (combat) had a tendency to explode. The complex technical problems with the AC it's self caused the retirement.[/QUOTE]

The RAAF is still flying the F-111. It's had a few upgrades and is an excellent aircraft with a good safety record. Incidentally, there was once aa TFJ-111 (Tactical Fighter Jammer) that was undergoing tests but the Clinton administration killed the funding. It could do everything the Prowler does and more.

The article says they're homely! Well, I always thought they looked great. I was in VMAQ-2 back when we had all the Marine Corps EA-6B’s. Actually, for a time we still had the EA-6A’s concurrently. Now the Marine Corps keeps its Prowlers in several smaller squadrons, though Q2 is still one of them.

I’v suggested that a massive cell phone spam call campaign coupled with detailed phone records would be useful. Glad to see the Prowlers being useful.

I was in VA-85 A6A squadron(Intruders) This is one plane that the Navy can be proud of.

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Originally posted by blueghost26:
Tango31 is kinda onto something.... just block or shut-down the band width that the Iraqis are using ... results, dead cell phones, but the garage door opener is still a problem.

Good idea anyway !

Maybe we should schedule our activities when the Iraqi electric power is off. No electricity, no cell tower operation, no cell phone operation, no remote control. Either that or turn off the electricity permanently and take the generators off the cell towers. This is war, deny the enemy any means to set off remote explosives. Only problem is the whole dang country is the enemy.