RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,138137,00.html

As the mother of two Army recruits I am appalled at the Army's lack of acknowledgement of the very serious issues facing our recruits. The Army always wants the soldiers to honor their committments but the Army seems to not believe they need to honor theirs...like the promise to take care of the medical needs of the recruits whether its during basic training or returning from a foreign land injured or maimed. Perhaps the Army needs to take a long look at the lack of respect from many of its CO's concerning their subordinates and their poor leadership skills, skills that are more about power, humilation and submission because it just feels good to them to have that kind of sway over those who cannot defend themselves. Perhaps the Army needs to address the abhorrant practices of denial, malpractice and indifference of it's medical staff, particularly on the Fort Jackson, SC and Fort Benning, GA bases. I have personal experience with Fort Benning, my son having two fractures of his knee, confirmed by the Army in May of 2007, he was offered discharge several times for these injuries then it denied, no reason given, then finally a day before the Army was required by their law to discharge him he was suddenly deemed 'healed' and returned to duty as if nothing happened and the incredible thing is he has yet as of today (November 19, 2007) received any treatment other than in late June of '07 he was stuck in the PTRP program at Fort Benning, the 7th circle of Hell as it is most commonly referred to, where he the treatment he and others received was verbal and physical abuse, made to do janitorial labor that was contrary to his and others injuries and 'physical therapy' where he was told to ride a stationary bike for 20 minutes and walk 2 miles in under 30 minutes - a strange therapy considering his femur and tibia were fractured and according to one physical therapist 'opening up'. So they sent him back to training and he somehow 'passed' the tests and is scheduled to graduate later this month. How he passed his tests and how on earth he made it through FTX with those fractures is beyond me but I get the feeling that with Fort Benning's record of sending injured soldiers into combat that they just 'overlooked' his injuries. Add to incidents like with my son and the current problems with veterans being treated like dirt no wonder the Army has a serious morale problem and high desertion rate. If they did one simple thing they would have people joining in droves even despite the war and that would be to be honest, treat the soldiers with the respect and decency they deserve and give them the very best medical care this nation has to offer. There would be no need for 20K bonuses or recruiter lies and the Army would again be the respected instituion it once was. Right now the Army is broken, many of its commanders out of touch and many of it's sergeants thugs who enjoy torturing their recruits. I have many stories from my son's and their battle buddies of sergeants coming in while the new recruits are showering and taking pictures of them..what is that about?! Some recruits being beaten while the others are told to turn their backs to the abuse and keep their mouths shut by the very superiors they are supposed to trust. My family and I once respected and loved the Army now we are distrustful and sick of their abuse. My son's went in all 'Hooah' and the Army managed to treat them so badly that they now hate it and just want to get out. Yeah, these three brothers only got a taste of what was to come at the hands of sadistic, out of control sergeants and the inept medical care, now they are out and it's over for them. I wish I could say the same for my son's, they and their battle buddies deserved so much more. Shame on the Army.

Cowards, Plain and simple Whining because he was corrected for leaving a cup on a seat

Sounds like their Momma raised some yellow bellied teet mouses, not Men.

Hey Luke Leif, and Leo Kamunen, Sympathy is between shite & Syphillis in the dictionary

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Originally posted by 14659481:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,138137,00.html

As the mother of two Army recruits I am appalled at the Army's lack of acknowledgement of the very serious issues facing our recruits. The Army always wants the soldiers to honor their committments but the Army seems to not believe they need to honor theirs...like the promise to take care of the medical needs of the recruits whether its during basic training or returning from a foreign land injured or maimed. Perhaps the Army needs to take a long look at the lack of respect from many of its CO's concerning their subordinates and their poor leadership skills, skills that are more about power, humilation and submission because it just feels good to them to have that kind of sway over those who cannot defend themselves.

Perhaps the Army needs to address the abhorrant practices of denial, malpractice and indifference of it's medical staff, particularly on the Fort Jackson, SC and Fort Benning, GA bases. I have personal experience with Fort Benning, my son having two fractures of his knee, confirmed by the Army in May of 2007, he was offered discharge several times for these injuries then it denied, no reason given, then finally a day before the Army was required by their law to discharge him he was suddenly deemed 'healed' and returned to duty as if nothing happened and the incredible thing is he has yet as of today (November 19, 2007) received any treatment other than in late June of '07 he was stuck in the PTRP program at Fort Benning, the 7th circle of Hell as it is most commonly referred to, where he the treatment he and others received was verbal and physical abuse, made to do janitorial labor that was contrary to his and others injuries and 'physical therapy' where he was told to ride a stationary bike for 20 minutes and walk 2 miles in under 30 minutes - a strange therapy considering his femur and tibia were fractured and according to one physical therapist 'opening up'.

So they sent him back to training and he somehow 'passed' the tests and is scheduled to graduate later this month. How he passed his tests and how on earth he made it through FTX with those fractures is beyond me but I get the feeling that with Fort Benning's record of sending injured soldiers into combat that they just 'overlooked' his injuries.

Add to incidents like with my son and the current problems with veterans being treated like dirt no wonder the Army has a serious morale problem and high desertion rate.

If they did one simple thing they would have people joining in droves even despite the war and that would be to be honest, treat the soldiers with the respect and decency they deserve and give them the very best medical care this nation has to offer. There would be no need for 20K bonuses or recruiter lies and the Army would again be the respected instituion it once was.

Right now the Army is broken, many of its commanders out of touch and many of it's sergeants thugs who enjoy torturing their recruits. I have many stories from my son's and their battle buddies of sergeants coming in while the new recruits are showering and taking pictures of them..what is that about?!

Some recruits being beaten while the others are told to turn their backs to the abuse and keep their mouths shut by the very superiors they are supposed to trust.

My family and I once respected and loved the Army now we are distrustful and sick of their abuse. My son's went in all 'Hooah' and the Army managed to treat them so badly that they now hate it and just want to get out.

Yeah, these three brothers only got a taste of what was to come at the hands of sadistic, out of control sergeants and the inept medical care, now they are out and it's over for them. I wish I could say the same for my son's, they and their battle buddies deserved so much more. Shame on the Army.

Lady,

As a retired Infantry Leader, I dealt with a "few" like you in my career...

Whenever "Johnny" (like your baby) got his butt in a ringer because he failed to pay attention to detail, e.g., leaving a cup on a seat, Mommy would get a phone call from her baby post haste.

Soldiers earn respect, its not given to them by just showing up...

Your baby is no longer a kid, he is a Soldier. He will have to function as such, or be dealt with accordingly.

He is accountable for what he does or fails to do, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Interesting..., I bet if you initiated a Congressional Investigation on your above mentioned allegations by your baby that the results would come back as "fabricated" by your baby... Give it a try, Mommy dearest.

GOD BLESS AMERICA and OUR WARRIORS

That is how it looks to me also. Basic (if you want to call it that these days) tends to weed out and also allows for re-programing of the mindset. Some may think of it as a game or just another job downtown, but it is something deadly serious and not for the weak willed.

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Meanwhile, the week before Leif left for Fort Jackson, his girlfriend gave birth to their daughter. "Halfway through basic training, I didn't want to be there anymore," he said.

At home over Christmas, Leo started dating a local woman. "I decided there was no way I could be apart from her for long periods of time when I didn't feel so strongly about fighting for George Bush's war," he said.

That accounts for 2 of the 3.

St Louis Bus Terminal, 5 Mar 1965, Recent inductees waiting for their bus to the Ft Leanord Wood Induction Center. I never chewed gum again while on duty.

Ft Wood Induction Center, breakfast 6 Mar 65, Clean my tray, went to turn it in and.....I never left a cube of butter on my tray again.

Ft Wood Induction Center, lunch after returning from Central Issue, first full meal. Always ate with my jacket on from then on.

You do things wrong you get corrected. You learn, you adapt and you move on.

Doubled up for some reason........

Seems as though there are more and more boo, hoo stories coming from recruits today, it's a voluntary service, why all the whinning, cripes, I don't remember draftees whinning as much.

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Originally posted by joedokes:
Seems as though there are more and more boo, hoo stories coming from recruits today, it's a voluntary service, why all the whinning, cripes, I don't remember draftees whinning as much.

That's because draftees were a couple of years older when drafted, it's because most all had jobs to go back to and it's because they new if they didn't serve honorblely they had no job to go back to. Back then employers didn't want cop outs working for them.

I always felt if you asked for something and it wasn't what you expected you don't just walk away. You accept it, do it and learn not to do it again.

Are parents grooming Metrosexuials or Girly-men these days???


They need to have the apron string cut in a early age...IE 15.....and let them know what life is really is.

there is no room for second thoughts.if you are commited to join then step up like a man.if not,step off and don't to talk trash at those who serve.

14659481,

As the proud mother of a BRAVE, DEDICATED, AND HONORABLE American soldier who has been deployed THREE times -- to Afghanistan and Iraq as a paratrooper with the 82nd Airborne, and who just returned from a grueling 15-month tour of combat duty in Iraq with a stryker brigade. . .

I say to you, with all due respect -- WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Translation: YOU BETTER NUT UP OR YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SURVIVE YOUR SONS ARMY ADVENTURE!

I am sorry for the unfortunate situation your son found himself in.

HOWEVER, ITS TIME FOR YOUR SON TO QUIT NURSING AT YOUR BREAST AND TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN BUSINESS WHERE THE MILITARY IS CONCERNED.

OH. . . . and that janitorial work you mentioned, that wouldn't have been scrubbing the bathroom floors, to include around the toilets, with a toothbrush, was it? LOL.

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[QUOTE]Once at basic training, Luke said he hated the way drill sergeants yelled at recruits. And then he started hearing rumors about deployment to Iraq.

He thought, "You can't do nothing now. You're in the Army, you're screwed."

He also learned that his unit, which was supposed to be fixing Army vehicles, would carry weapons. He was trained to use M-16s and grenade launchers.

The drill sergeant told them, "Don't think you are not going to war," Luke said.

Maybe this shouldn't have been a surprise, he conceded. But, "I have been living in a small town, trying to get a job," he said. "I don't know what's going on."

Meanwhile, the week before Leif left for Fort Jackson, his girlfriend gave birth to their daughter. "Halfway through basic training, I didn't want to be there anymore," he said.

At home over Christmas, Leo started dating a local woman. "I decided there was no way I could be apart from her for long periods of time when I didn't feel so strongly about fighting for George Bush's war," he said. [QUOTE]

Those are about the three most lame excuses I ever heard of in my life. The DI yelled at me, my girlfriend gave birth, like he did't know she was pregnant, and I met a lady. Cry me a river you latent cowards.

I say just DD the three of them. Let them find out the hard way how a DD will effect them the rest of their lives. Better just to be done with it than to get good soldiers killed in the future.

To the one brother I say, what you gonna do down the line if some manager yells at you? To the other, what you gonna do when your girlfriend leaves you because you can not find a good job which will suppot her and the baby? Ditto for the last brother if his "new love" romance goes anywhere.

Oh, and the lame brained "the recruiter lied to me" tear jerker does not cut the mustard. How, in this day and age, can anyone with brain tissues between the ears, not know if you join the Guard/Reserves or active duty Army, that you will probably spend some time in the sandbox?

Nope, just round them up, have them spend some hard time in the stockade, then send them on their merry way with DD papers.

If you read this ranting and raving plus the news article you have to wonder who wrote this crap.

1st. The profile says she is 0-8. 2nd she says her baby had a knee fracture and then a fracture of the Femur and Tibia. These injuries were confirmed by a therapist, a therapist???? Then she claims her baby was returned to duty and completed all physical testing he was required to perform and graduated. Something stinks here and it is not the cheese.

These guys are deserters plain and simple.

Sniveling is nothing new. I had a young lad, two days U.A. and he shows up with a note from his mother, literally, to please excuse poor little Jeffery, because he had the flu and couldn't make it back to his base. What was worse, he just couldn't understand why a note from his mother wouldn't cut it and why I was such a mean b@ztard and wouldn't accept a note from mommy...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

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Originally posted by maluka:
If you read this ranting and raving plus the news article you have to wonder who wrote this crap.

1st. The profile says she is 0-8. 2nd she says her baby had a knee fracture and then a fracture of the Femur and Tibia. These injuries were confirmed by a therapist, a therapist???? Then she claims her baby was returned to duty and completed all physical testing he was required to perform and graduated. Something stinks here and it is not the cheese.

These guys are deserters plain and simple.

Totally agree...

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Sniveling is nothing new. I had a young lad, two days U.A. and he shows up with a note from his mother, literally, to please excuse poor little Jeffery, because he had the flu and couldn't make it back to his base. What was worse, he just couldn't understand why a note from his mother wouldn't cut it and why I was such a mean b@ztard and wouldn't accept a note from mommy...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

That's a roar. What was his pucker factor after you stuck the note from "mommy" where the sun don't shine?

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Originally posted by SUNLINER81:
Sniveling is nothing new. I had a young lad, two days U.A. and he shows up with a note from his mother, literally, to please excuse poor little Jeffery, because he had the flu and couldn't make it back to his base. What was worse, he just couldn't understand why a note from his mother wouldn't cut it and why I was such a mean b@ztard and wouldn't accept a note from mommy...
Respectfully, SUNLINER81

Dammit Sunliner! Now I have to go and clean the coffee off my keyboard and monitor!!!!!

It is really astounding how these "Individuals Brothers" ever got to Basic Training at all. They join for the education benefits and think that they do not have to earn it first! I have no respect for these so called brothers at all! Nor do I have for the mother of two Army recruits of her weeping story she presented in this forum. Basic Training is not for the faint hearted because you have to make it tough. Their is an old saying I heard time after time. "Better to trained with pain, sweat, and tears then to have blood and guts on the battlefield" and I believe in that saying for I have survived.
Now let me tell you my tale when I joined the Army not once but twice! Yes! I am Prior service and I have taken Basic Training twice! First Basic Training in Oct 1972 and Second Basic Training late March 1982. First Basic Training on my 5th week I get very sick and had a temperature 101. I tried to hide it so I won't be recycle another word start Basic Training all over again. But a Drill Sergent notice I was not well and sent me to the hospital and stayed there for eight days! Then when I got well they recycle me back to the 2nd week of BCT. Later on I finally finished Basic Training. Now let fast forward to 1982. I just got recently married and my Son was just born. Their was a big layoff at work and at the time I did not know exactly know what to do. I got out of the Army in 1975 and 6 months later join the Army Nat Guard. But the Guard at that time did not have any full time opening for me. So I made the decision to go back Active duty but was told that I will have to go back Basic Training and my rank as E-5 (Sgt) will be reduce to E-2 (Pvt)! I almost did not join but when you are out of work and have to support your family you do what you have to do! In my second Basic Training I had a few minor injuries but learn to suck it up because I did not want to be recycle again. I pass Basic Training with no incidents (because of my experience in Basic Training 1st time). Now fast forward to 2006, my Son decided he wanted to join the Army because he had no direction in life. I had a long talk with him and try to make Son understand that going thru Basic Training will be no picnic and their is a War where he most likely to be sent to Iraq. With my knowledge I given him to my Son he had no problems in passing Basic Training and is now serving in Iraq.
I felt compel to tell this story because it astounds me how certain individuals join the service and thinks it will be a bed of roses where the Drill Sgts won't yell and will live and a easy life in the service while collecting the benefits that the military offer in return. If I am harsh on the 3 brothers and the Mom of 2 sons on the forum I will NOT apologize...NEVER! Many good people join the service and went thru Basic Training with little or no incidents. These good people transform into good soldiers and learn the values that the Military have taught them. And in the end when they leave the service with a HONORABLE DISCHARGE they take that knowledge with them where ever they go thru life's highway. Sorry for my long ranting in this forum. When I see stories like this it makes my blood boil and I had to get it off my chest. So thats all I got to say for now....

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Originally Posted By 14659481:

As the mother of two Army recruits I am appalled at the Army's lack of acknowledgement of the very serious issues facing our recruits.

<rest of the BS flushed>

Yep ... and your profile experience as a two star active duty Air Force officer makes you eminently qualified to comment ... I call "Troll".