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RE: Weapons will be destroyed or turned over to "Iraqi authorities". If that happens I bet the ones turned over will turn up again.
http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,137040,00.html
 
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Big wooo.

The Afghans have been using WWI surplus forever.
 
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Somebody send me a Schmeisser for my wall! Smile
 
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Nothing New here, during the time I was there , I saw Numerous Sturmgewehr 44's
Lee-Enfield No.4's,US M1917 Rifles, UK P-14 Rifles, Bren Guns- Mk.II, PPsh-41(Had one Myself) M1A1 Thompson Submachinegun(Gold Plated), Austrian M95 Rifle from World War One with a Handbuilt "Silencer", Walther P-38 Pistole, Walther PPK's, Tokarev TT-33's,M1934 Beretta Pistols, Numerous Mauser Kar98K's, Persian Mausers, Turkish Mausers, Yugo Mausers,British Webley Revolvers in .455, Odd Sten gun or three, Moisin Nagant Rifles, Browning Hi-Power pistols of Mid war vintage,and suprisingly, a Large number of Italian made copies of the 1876 Winchester lever action rifle....
 
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But on a dozen occasions, the troops have found weapons that date as far back as the 1930s and 40s. The weapons, from places like Russia, Germany and the United Kingdom, are worth tens of thousands of dollars to collectors, Diaz said.

They should be confiscated and sold at auction. The money raised can be used to help secure the peace.
 
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oh they wouldnt be worth anything now... for them to be worth something you have to keep them in good condition...
 
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Value is in the eye of the beholder. The collection value may not be high but I still wouldnt mind having one those WWII weapons. If only just for a conversational piece or a wall hanger. Cool
 
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[COLOR:BLUE]Well there is a quick answer to the story of how ineffective the 9MM and 5.56MM weapons start using some of those Tommy Guns.
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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
Nothing New here, during the time I was there , I saw Numerous Sturmgewehr 44's
Lee-Enfield No.4's,US M1917 Rifles, UK P-14 Rifles, Bren Guns- Mk.II, PPsh-41(Had one Myself) M1A1 Thompson Submachinegun(Gold Plated), Austrian M95 Rifle from World War One with a Handbuilt "Silencer", Walther P-38 Pistole, Walther PPK's, Tokarev TT-33's,M1934 Beretta Pistols, Numerous Mauser Kar98K's, Persian Mausers, Turkish Mausers, Yugo Mausers,British Webley Revolvers in .455, Odd Sten gun or three, Moisin Nagant Rifles, Browning Hi-Power pistols of Mid war vintage,and suprisingly, a Large number of Italian made copies of the 1876 Winchester lever action rifle....
I would guess that you didn't have enough rank to take any of those weapons home like "Certained Ranked" folks can... Beer
 
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I would guess that you didn't have enough rank to take any of those weapons home like "Certained Ranked" folks can... Beer



I hope you're being facetious about any military member taking (or sending) any weapon home.
 
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Nothing New here, during the time I was there , I saw Numerous Sturmgewehr 44's
Lee-Enfield No.4's,US M1917 Rifles, UK P-14 Rifles, Bren Guns- Mk.II, PPsh-41(Had one Myself) M1A1 Thompson Submachinegun(Gold Plated), Austrian M95 Rifle from World War One with a Handbuilt "Silencer", Walther P-38 Pistole, Walther PPK's, Tokarev TT-33's,M1934 Beretta Pistols, Numerous Mauser Kar98K's, Persian Mausers, Turkish Mausers, Yugo Mausers,British Webley Revolvers in .455, Odd Sten gun or three, Moisin Nagant Rifles, Browning Hi-Power pistols of Mid war vintage,and suprisingly, a Large number of Italian made copies of the 1876 Winchester lever action rifle....


STG44's are like hen's teeth, maybe now we know why - they're all in Iraq.
 
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Nothing New here, during the time I was there , I saw Numerous Sturmgewehr 44's
Lee-Enfield No.4's,US M1917 Rifles, UK P-14 Rifles, Bren Guns- Mk.II, PPsh-41(Had one Myself) M1A1 Thompson Submachinegun(Gold Plated), Austrian M95 Rifle from World War One with a Handbuilt "Silencer", Walther P-38 Pistole, Walther PPK's, Tokarev TT-33's,M1934 Beretta Pistols, Numerous Mauser Kar98K's, Persian Mausers, Turkish Mausers, Yugo Mausers,British Webley Revolvers in .455, Odd Sten gun or three, Moisin Nagant Rifles, Browning Hi-Power pistols of Mid war vintage,and suprisingly, a Large number of Italian made copies of the 1876 Winchester lever action rifle....
I would guess that you didn't have enough rank to take any of those weapons home like "Certained Ranked" folks can... Beer
-Didnt feel like spending 10 years in Leavenworth for a Shpagin....
 
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While I was 'over there' in 2006, some of our guys confiscated a WWII German MG-42...

Which yes, was an odd surprise.
 
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hell my dad left japan with about 3 duffle bags full of jap rifles... he said he sold them for about $10 each when he got back to the states before going off to germany...he didnt get anything from there other then womens hearts... hey i might have some brothers and sisters there.. Big Grin ...
 
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I would guess that you didn't have enough rank to take any of those weapons home like "Certained Ranked" folks can... Beer



I hope you're being facetious about any military member taking (or sending) any weapon home.
You being in Vietnam should know better. RHIP rules. The higher the rank the more privilege. I have never heard of a General officer in jail for what they broght home. I won't even mention the AKs that got smuggled home in speakers piece by piece in steros purchased through the PX in Japan.
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PS I had to look up facetious, I thought you were cussing at me for a minute there... lol
 
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Nothing New here, during the time I was there , I saw Numerous Sturmgewehr 44's
Lee-Enfield No.4's,US M1917 Rifles, UK P-14 Rifles, Bren Guns- Mk.II, PPsh-41(Had one Myself) M1A1 Thompson Submachinegun(Gold Plated), Austrian M95 Rifle from World War One with a Handbuilt "Silencer", Walther P-38 Pistole, Walther PPK's, Tokarev TT-33's,M1934 Beretta Pistols, Numerous Mauser Kar98K's, Persian Mausers, Turkish Mausers, Yugo Mausers,British Webley Revolvers in .455, Odd Sten gun or three, Moisin Nagant Rifles, Browning Hi-Power pistols of Mid war vintage,and suprisingly, a Large number of Italian made copies of the 1876 Winchester lever action rifle....
I would guess that you didn't have enough rank to take any of those weapons home like "Certained Ranked" folks can... Beer
-Didnt feel like spending 10 years in Leavenworth for a Shpagin....
I can understand that. But I would be willing to bet some of those weapons made it back to the states. Stars and Eagles if you know what I mean. Beer
 
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Not surprised they are turning up L-E No. 4s or SMLEs, there must have been tens of thousands kicking around the ME after WWII. Don't forget that the Indians were making SMLEs in .303 and 7.62mm until relatively recently. It's also probably just the sort of rugged design that lasts well in regular use out there.
BTW, there were even rumours that the Hereford Gun Club had pulled some L42 (post war Lee Enfield 7.62 conversion) sniper rifles out of storage because the issue L96 was a bit fragile in prolonged use. I have my doubts but it sounds the sort of thing the SAS might try.


What I am surprised about is the STEN guns, I wonder how many were in working order? After all if ever there was a weapon made on the cheap as a stopgap it's the Sten.
 
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Part of my job was runnin' our armory in 'Nam. 'Had all sorts of WWII era stuff. (all of it fully functional) German, Russian, US, British, Swedish n Japanese. I still have a Chinese Type 56 carbine (SKS) w/bayonet. All matching part numbers. Also a byf marked Mauser made 9mm Walther P-38 from 1943 w/waffen nampt in a black leather holster. We could bring home functional "War Trophy's 'long as they weren't full auto. Well... some AK's got outta country in various ways. I had a clean M1911-A1 w/no markings on it whatever. Couldn't get it outta country tho 'cause this Army weenie in Can Tho kept tellin' me it was US made. (No markings... no serial number... 'n the grips were wood... but appeared to be hand cut/finished. 'Gave it to a SEAL goin' up-river. 'Had a de-mil'd Chinese HT-50 potato masher grenade too... I took all the explosive outta it... including the Tetryl detonator in the handle. 'Still couldn't bring it back. 'Had a beautiful nickle plated K-54 9mm pistol... had ivory grips with the Chinese Army character in the center (in red). Brown leather flap cover holster 'n gun belt too. 'Sold that for $500. to an Officer. I should'a kept it. That WWII stuff is lethal tho... 'n most of it now worth big bucks to collectors.
 
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it would be a sin for these archeological treasures to be destroyed or handed over to Iraq authorities. these weapons need to be in a museum or put up to auction at a place like Christies and have the proceeds go to soldier's widows and children.

these aren't weapons, they're antiques! they're history! don't destroy them.
 
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Why not allow these weapons to be sold to Gun Collecters in America who FFLs and try to pay for apart of the war cost!
 
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