RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,136157,00.html Lets get all of our sh-t in one bag, before we go and start saying that people and organizations are guilty. Talk about give 'em a fair trial and then hang 'em! Respectfully, SUNLINER81
so innocent until proven guilty, huh? I guess not for our Marines. Kick some *** General Conway. Typical comments and passive response. This army commander must be a democrat...reach down there between your legs there Mr Be-all-you-can-be and see if they are still there. if so then ask yourself why, if not then, well, we now know, dont we? Semper Fi, Smitty
So. Our politically correct 'don't shoot back unless you've actually been killed' Army is condemning the USMC Special Ops for self defense. Yes sir- I want to be a member of the 'be dead as you can be' 'army of one' is all that will be left, if that's okay with the islamofascists.
As for the muslims- kill 'em all and let satan sort 'em out. I don't think G_D wants anything to with them- he sent them to the pit after all.
These Army Dudes should"nt throw rocks if they themselves live in glass houses. Let them Marines fight. Civilians get out of the way or join the fight. Who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. Muslims all look the same! Semper Fi General Conway
General Conway is correct in his statements. When fired upon by an enemy, IMO there is no such thing as over reacting. These Special Forces Marines should have been judged by another Special Forces unit on their conduct under fire. There is a tremendous difference between unconventional tactics and conventional tactics. If I'm not mistaken aren't these current missing troops from the 10th Mountain Division? Enough said.
My question is this. Why in the world would the DoD allow this whole episode to play out in the media? They're crying about servicememebers posting on blogs and message boards, but they're allowing genereal officers to pretty much say whatever they feel like about an ongoing criminal investigation?They should issue a gag order until the whole thing is wrapped up. The only thing all this finger pointing is doing is making us look like the gang that couldn't shoot straight to our enemies.
I believe that the commander on the ground has the obligation to keep a "lid" on things in his/her immediate area of operations (AO). It's quite easy for a General with shiny pants to talk about people from afar. I do not dispute that the General had "earned" his star(s) but that his boots are not muddy today. The Brigade Commander's are. It's a different day, a different war and many folks just don't "get it". While I agree with the notion of being careful of your speech until a legal determination has been made, that will, in this case, not keep the family concerned from grieving nor bring the dead back to life. Perhaps this "embarrassing" dialog between two commanding officers will help bring a new awareness to the need to be mindful of each other's requirements and command functions.
Originally posted by tonydenicola: This is Y we Marines have a Commadant to kick some Army ***,what they got for Staff Co's would be a warm up for the Gen,way to go Commadant,Sir.
The first thing you ALL have to stop doing is putting COMMON SENSE into anything that involves politics - especially over here.
For instance, we aren't allowed to drive ON POST unless we have two or more soldiers in an NTV with at least one E-5 or above. So, pilots - who are allowed to fly multi-million dollar equipment all by themselves, cannot drive by themselves. The not so common sense is amazing.
That is why the Marines have been kicking a$$ for over 200 years. It starts with a warrior attitude in training. Not tihs we can't be mean because there are women in the ranks. I laugh at the doggies. Women teaching bayonet courses. How many women have had to use it. The Army takes the testes from it's male units and gives them back upon their discharge. Semper Fi!
The evidence points in one direction, and only in one direction. Marines screwed up seriously, which hurts me, a retired Marine, personally.
Holding off in making statements in Afghanistan may sound like the fair thing to us, but the context there is war! Afghanistan is not Alabama, it's a country at war and we're attempting to carry out a COIN operation.
Something had to be done and said fast to reduce the damage to lessen the danger of revenge attacks. Now, however, is the time to get at the bottom of what happened, and make the findings public.
If any of you had been reading up on what's going on in Afghanistan as a result of NATO/US killing of civilians, you would realize that the US Army commanders had to take this action. Marine General Conway has no idea of the nature and strength of the growing resentment among ordinary Afghans toward our forces. If anything, it should have been General Conway himself making the apology; but for this incident only.
You are right to criticize the Army for making this one incident involving Marines the showcase for expressing its deep regret and shame. By far, the indiscriminate killing and maiming of Afghan civilians have been the result of Army decisions to blow them up along with the Taleban, or to run them over with their vehicles.
I am grateful that our Commandant has taken what I believe to be the appropriate position on this matter. This is not an Army against the Marine Corps issue. It is about one Army General (Kearney) reacting more like a politician concerning an unfortunate incident than a combat commander. His immediate apology and payment of reparations cast guilt upon these young Marines before the investigation was completed. A mistake in combat does not necessarily equate to a criminal offense. Even Gen Kearney's assertion that the Marine spec ops troops' response was "out of proportion to the threat that was immediately there" suggests that he could read the minds of the Marines and knew the threat that they percieved. Shame on him. The idea of it being noble to serve your country in the military is quickly becoming passe'.
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