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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,134697,00.html

These courts and judges in quite a few cases not just this example are a disgrace. They sit up on their perch and decide a persons fate and they may very well be wrong, but they act like God so no one can touch them. Iv'e seen it time and time again. These cases of children of military spouses should be put on hold until their return...period.
 
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This is a disgrace and needs to be fixed!

If people are made to choose between their children and the military - you can bet the children will win!

Just another way to DESTROY retention. Way to go Federal Court.
 
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"We support our troops" rings false in light of these court cases. Pompous judges putting in their efforts to undermine our troops is the most dispicable example of "Judges Gone Wild"

It's heartening, however, that several states, including California, have not waited to to put this travesty right by enacting legislation. While the US Congress has consummed themselves with "Non-Binding resolutions" showing how they "support our troops"; they feign ignorance of the issue while their home states are passing legislation.

By the way, the divorce rate among the military may have increased 1% point from 3% to 4% but, is still 25% to 30% below the national rate of divorce. Divorce among the military is lowest of all the demographic groups.
 
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Men have gone through this since the beginning and women who fought to be treated as equal are now feeling the same way. This is a classic case of "Be careful of what you wish for."
 
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What on earth is the judicial system thinking? Maybe the judge that is working on Lt. Crouch case was divorced and just Pi$$ed at the world, but this is so wrong on SO many levels.

Terry, having been through a divorce with a minor child I know what this mother is feeling. Not all of us want to be MEN. Some have things thrust upon us. I was married 25 years before the end of my marriage. I refused to let the lawyers make my son a pawn. I had never worked outside the home and had to learn a whole new way of life. I paid the deliquent bills that I was given and slept on a palate in a one room apartment... 10 years later I have a home without my X's money (took no alimony) and my son is in college. I am a Phoenix.

I hope the judge gets his a$$ kicked and he's thrown off the bench. How dare he undermine the family and the country!! Argggggh!!!!!
 
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Terry...are you just another sad loser that got royally screwed over by a female? Yeah..ok..get over it.
 
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You know our people have enough to contend with, to add this extra burden draws attention away from their jobs and staying alive.
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Terry...are you just another sad loser that got royally screwed over by a female? Yeah..ok..get over it.


Please just STFU.....
 
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It is friggin messed up that these judges are disrespecting the law. The law states that there is a waiting period for service members, yet the judges ignore that and give the custody to the non-service member. It is absolutely vile what these judges do to our service men and women who pay in blood for those reject judges to create their own "laws". I have no respect for that kind of filth and corruption. Mad
 
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Terry...are you just another sad loser that got royally screwed over by a female? Yeah..ok..get over it.


That is completely uncalled for. Do you know anything about Terry's situation???
 
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congress needs to act and stopthese casesfrom happening until the SM can be present. I would bet that the parent who stole custody is using tricare for the childs health care, I wonder if the bench sitter is taking that in to consideration.
 
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This is just another fine example of how messed up our legal system is, and no one wants to fix it.
 
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This is a new low for the American legal system. One can be ordered to serve his/her country in lands beyond the seas without any assurance of being able retain civil or domestic integrity.

In light of the real potential of this abominable situation, these people should be given some kind of consideration/protection by our legal and military systems. Why fight for God, country and family if you're not even sure that the latter is going to be there?
 
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I agree with all the reasons given here today, yes the system is screwed up. But then you have to say only in America. We will get it right sooner or later, till we do some things will not go as you wish, give the system a chance to work and right the wrongs. Till then you have to suck it up and move on. Court decissions can be changed.
 
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I don't have the answer to this, but something needs to be done. I don't care if the custodial military member is male or female - they had custodial care for a reason. Why should that change because they deploy??????

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This is a disgrace and needs to be fixed!

If people are made to choose between their children and the military - you can bet the children will win!

Just another way to DESTROY retention. Way to go Federal Court.


Persy,

Your right this absolutely needs to be fixed...this is the kind of thing that makes experienced Service Members not continue their service.

However, this is not a Federal Court Issue. This is the battle between the Federal level and the state level. Child Custody is determined by state level courts and their interpretation of the servicemember's civil relief act.

They feel that the Act does net pertain to matters that they feel effect the safety and welfare of a child. They will make the ruling without hearing the defense argument.

Some Victim of this kind of judicial process needs to appeal all the way to Federal district court and then to the USSC for binding resolution.

In the Mean time, Write your State Legislators and ask them to enact legislation that will support and uphold the Servicemembers civil relief act to include Child Custody matters.

Write a letter, it doesn't take long and you may be surprised by the results
 
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I know it is harsh and seems unfair, but I am 100% with the Family courts on this matter. If the best interests of the children come first, then parenting should be the first, foremost, and overriding responsibility of the parent.

If you are a woman who has children or has the prospect of having children, get out of the military and stay out. If you are a man in the military and have children or are hoping to have children, then you better resign yourself to the fact that your wife/their mother is the primary parent. If you can't live with that, then get out of the military yourself and stay out. Under no circumstances should there be situations in which both parents are in the military; one of them has to leave.

This is the inevitable consequence of gender equality gone mad. It has nothing to do with the way this or any other war is being fought or managed. Parenting and soldiering are not compatible career goals.
 
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AG,

So no single parents should make the commitment to serve their country. Gotcha. Better yet...it's better for a child's welfare to be raised in a home with two parents. So in turn nobody in the military should have children. If they want you to have one they'll issue it to you correct?

The reason I bring that up I live in a predominatley military town. Divorce rates are high among junior enlisted, that's if they ever got married at all. Most just have children with their significant others. Most of the mothers who are not servicemembers themselves have very little to support the child so they shack up with another significant other. Family court in this state will usually tend to rule with the mother.
 
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I know it is harsh and seems unfair, but I am 100% with the Family courts on this matter. If the best interests of the children come first, then parenting should be the first, foremost, and overriding responsibility of the parent.

If you are a woman who has children or has the prospect of having children, get out of the military and stay out. If you are a man in the military and have children or are hoping to have children, then you better resign yourself to the fact that your wife/their mother is the primary parent. If you can't live with that, then get out of the military yourself and stay out. Under no circumstances should there be situations in which both parents are in the military; one of them has to leave.

This is the inevitable consequence of gender equality gone mad. It has nothing to do with the way this or any other war is being fought or managed. Parenting and soldiering are not compatible career goals.


For a single mother the military is a great deal more stable than the public work sector. The pay is more dependable and not all military jobs are deployed. There was one woman on the "Joining the Military" board that was left with 2 small children to raise. She was widowed. Hard as it might be at the first, she will be able to have a better life for herself and her children because of the military. Outside, she may well have to work 2 or 3 jobs to survive. Surviving isn't always the best way to raise children.
 
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When I was married to my Ex we sarted going through our divorce and custody battle. I wasn't getting Deployed, never away for more than 2 weeks. I was found to be un-fit just becaue there was the possiblity that I could get deployed. I wasn't stable because of my Military service. I love my daughter and and wanted to serve my Country that I love as well. If I could have seen that my joining would be the reason I lost my girl - I never would have joined.

AG - No disrespect sir, but it is different times now. You make it seem like a womans place is just at home with the kids. That was back then but now we can make the choice. I served my Country and now yes I'm a stay at home mom. But if I had never served I would have never met the man I love. I now support his service and raise our family. The point being not every woman has to be the stay at home woman - I am because we are just starting our family and we want one of us to be with our kids. Not every woman wants the same things as I do. Get used to seeing women taking an active role in the work community - It is already happening all around you.
 
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