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RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,123574,00.html
If, as Robert Gates wants, this practice is discouraged, then where are the fighting troops going to come from? If a front door draft is a non-starter, where is the President going to find the extra troops he needs? And even if a draft were started, it would take probably about a year or more before we would see the first draftees ready to deploy and the system up and running. Where do the troops come from in the meantime? Questions, not answers, not even guesses . . .  |
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as a army soldier getting stop lossed 1 day before my ets date, i can say to all those u like the idea, goodie for u, but i would like to move on with my life, i have done my time seved in iraq and would now like to go home, i support gates in this. if the army needs to increase the numbers the army really needs to find a way to attract more new recruits, or offer soldiers,sailors,airmen,marines more incentives.
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finally. Especially when you get your *** blowed up during a stop loss
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This may sound like a joke - the military needs to keep the word. If they recruit men and make them abide by contracts, then they must abide by it themself. Interesting that one of the dilemmas for Washington at Valley Forge is that once they survived the winter, most of his troops enlistment was over which presented him a monumental problem. His solution was NOT to extend against their wills their enlistment. Instead he gave an inspiring speech that kept most of them and the next battle was a turning point in the war. I guess we are beyond the days of the government honoring their word. In light of the enormous gravity at Valley Forge and our present situation, I don't think a cry that this war merits forcing men to go beyond the agreed contract- unless of course we live in a tyranical world. |
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Amen TPCAT!  A plan, a plan, my kingdom for a plan! |
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What a lot of people don`t know is that You enlist in the Military and it is for an eight(8)
4 years active and 4 years non active. Iam a 20 plus years retired , take it as it comes. This is Your and all males 18 years old to do thier duty. |
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James, thank you for your service! Salute!!!! When ever we have been at war (not police action or other such things) service has been for the duration. The problem is that none of that was made clear this time. I believe the expectancy of a lot of people in high places was that we would "Put this handful of radical ragheads to bed quickly and it will be over." Rotation is a great thing for crops, but it does not win wars. |
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In today's 'me first' culture, why should anyone be surprised if troops get upset at being extended, even if by a few short months?
The U.S. would have had a much more difficult time in WWII if the same troop rotation policy was in place back then. Of course a draft is necessary during wartime, and it will be a few years before our politicians realize that a draft should have been implemented at about year two of OIF. "It is well that war is so terrible, otherwise we should grow too fond of it." ..........General Robert E. Lee |
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Did you throw the comment in about Robert E. Lee just for me Hardcore? I am touched.
See TPCAT he didn't even quote another side. Won't go there today. |
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no such thing as " a few short months" when you have been away from your family for over a year..
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I forgot about that clause of four years active and four years reserve, and isn't there a clause somewhere that indicates even then in a time of crisis one can be called up up to a certain age?
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You think stop loss is bad I have men and women in my unit that were on P3 and P2 profiles (OLD and Broke) they were all down graded and pencil wipped to push them over here. Now I have a room mate that has a medicine cabinet and I have to make sure the is breathing! Hell, he was in VN and was medically discharged from the navy in 93.
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I am not trying to be insensitive to the need for R&R when our troops have been gone for awhile, but let's look at the reality of the situation. What are the other good options rather than extending our forces for a few months, Cleatus? |
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Suspended: 20 days. Stillkit |
That is interesting since war has never been declared. Our soldiers are fighting an undeclared war just as they did in Vietnam. To make "stop loss" legal the President should get the congress to declare war on Iraq. But our President the "decidinator" has decided it is a war. I'm not a Constitutional expert but I remember learning that only the congress has the power to declare war. |
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Suspended: 20 days. Stillkit |
I remember reading about WWII and in that war congress actually declared war before our military was committed. It will be a few years before our politicians realize that it is really necessary for our congress to declare war before committing our military. |
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"It's long overdue," said Jules Lobel, vice president of the Center for Constitutional Rights and lawyer for some in the military who have challenged the policy in court.
"It has created terrible problems of morale," Lobel said last week. "It has in some cases made Soldiers feel that they were duped or deceived in how they were recruited." Amen! |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Just as well . . . though I did take your comment on Valley Forge seriously . . .don't think an inspiring speech would go very far toward inspiring today's army. The difference? The men at Valley Forge were fighting for their freedom, their homes, their families. Now that may be true of our present difficulties, but few people, including the troops, I suspect, see it that way. |
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Somewhere in the military contract there must be a clause that covers the service extension.
Question: Why do we not hear of officers complaining about having tours extended, only EM's? |
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The troops at Valley Forge were also fighting what was seen as a foreign occupation army in America. I definitely don't want to go there, and given the present situation, don't think anybody does . . . Did any of you guys ever stop to think that the Revolution was a "popular insurgency" . . .it was certainly seen that way in England at the time. Go figure.
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They get paid more? |
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